Still others rail about the same sin constantly, possibly out of their own guilt. Ive read the comments and the posts. God does not lead His children by rules. I really dont know how to describe it. WebSupport the RFP Donations are a great way to help keep the RFP on-air and furthering our mission to help and encourage those whose lives have been negatively affected by The New Independent Fundamental Baptist (New IFB) Movement A logical fallacy stands alone whether in or out of context. New Episodes drop Wednesdays at Midnight! Please elaborate, Should have said of course no singing with musical accompaniment.. Protestants have never accepted the principle of separation of church and state. WebRT @reachjulieroys: A former Baptist missionary has been found guilty of sexually abusing a 4-year-old, who tested positive for gonorrhea last April Jordan Webb, affiliated with an 5. Suppose an airplane flew over some isolated country that had no past or present contact with anyone else in the world. Every now and then I feel like Im doing something wrong, but I know its just the decades of brainwashing that I went through with the IFB. I began my spiritual walk with Jesus studying the New Testament, but my journey through the Old Testament only reinforced my belief in the New and showed me more about God. I would love to chat further!!! The pastor was near inapproachable and always seemed like he didnt have time to talk to us. If that were the case, Paul left out the most important person/position in addressing the Phillipian saints. The Dutch colony of New York for a time persecuted Baptists within its territories. The Baptist church that I attend used the entire Bible, all 66 books. The connection with past churches for the modern Baptist is not the name, but rather their doctrine and practice. Im made of dirt, but God is gonna let my neighbor go to Hell because the dirt-clod next door didnt give him a Chick tract!! Serious question for those who've had the joy of being forced to grow up in the Independent Fundamental Baptist church which, if you've left it, you know how cultish they are. A person can rightly take pride in truthfully bearing the name Baptist. ABSOLUTELY we teach tithing if you dont want to give a tenth back to the God that saved your soul from hell, then I wonder if youve met the same God that I have. Hope that last wasnt too much personal info. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. This was because of frequent prompting from the pulpit: Did I say the right thing, did I pray the right prayer, did I really, really, really mean it this time etc. And only imagination could describe what his mind and soul was experiencing. We were stationed at Fort Hood in 2008 and my husband was also deployed. In his writings he appears ignorant of the practices of the Roman Church and never refers to church councils, creeds, traditions or even to the existence of a pope. Anyhow he screamed through most of it (funny I never see Jesus screaming at folks, particularly His followers) told some fantastic tales, not saying he was lying, but, well you know what I mean. Im not sure what the Word of God sais about dress. He strongly believed in separation of church and state and upheld the principles of soul liberty. My question would be: When has anyone ever given 10% to GOD. It more often then none goes to the support building, supplies, salaries of a ministry under the leadership of usually a man., Excellent book on the subject is Should the Church Teach Tithing by Russell Kelly, http://www.truthforfree.com/files/PDF/REK-Tithing3.pdf. The Puritans were dissenters from the Church of England. Seamus on Twitter: "RT @reachjulieroys: A Part 1: what is legalism? I think it is true that God certainly does choose people and draw them to Himself. The old testement tithes went to the Levite priests to support them (Numbers 18). all churches that support tithingtithe a tenth of their income to building Gods kingdom. However, bottom lineJesus never shared but truth to all incl Phairsees so if His position on tithing was as being not to be left undonethan I believe it stands as something that is good to do, pleasing to God. I would also venture to say the same of you, which you said of me. I cannot know. A church only has authority to set guidelines on dress as it is addressed in Scripture. Though we no longer keep the ritual and sacramental law, Gods moral laws and prophesies of things yet to come are not to be ignored. Sounds like maybe you are in a pretty good church. http://www.av1611.org/ this web site is dial-the-truth ministries, but I call them dial-the-. PEOPLE are the problem! 1) strict adherence to one version of the bible Please note that this presented no problem for this first Baptist church in America. My husband and I left the IFB church about a year and a half ago. The New IFB began with Steven Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church in response to perceived liberalism in other independent Baptist churches. I myself wear pants and outside of church most of the other women do too. I was a better version. If the church u are leaving is Christian they will understand. Fundamental Independent Baptists church will remain separate from these churches as well as other Baptists groups who participate with the unscriptural churches. They should not be confused true Bible believing churches, because their beliefs and practices were much like the Church of England. Im a Southern Baptist and celebrate Jesus and His grace! So far newere at IFB church (if is is refered to as one by a IFB site think) & has not as far as I know been told must. In fact, no church on earth can make that claim. I am a former fundamental baptist member, I would like to request any assistance on clarification regarding the contradictions of doctrine of Paul and Jesus. I read what you wrote, thats why I replied with what I wrote. Baptists are not Protestants! In 395 AD, Emperor Contantius Christianized Rome and made the worship of idols punishable by death. I doubt I would be allowed to wear Just a Speedo to any Church on a regular basis. Protestants still practice infant baptism which is not taught in the Word of God. He has been an alcoholic, had been sexually abused in a Catholic orphanage, had lost his family, and had lost everything. Podcast dedicated to my experiences of being a member of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Church (IFBC), my decision to leave, and life after. I am the daughter of an IFB missionary/evangelist, sister of an IFB pastor, and granddaughter of an IFB pastor. First I find your demeaning undertone disheartening. But today I bought an actual coolerwith rollers. They are the only group into modern times whose churches were founded on the Scriptures alone and not on the traditions or works of some man. It is difficult to trace Baptist churches down through history. Landlord Cody Johnson later agreed not to evict Stedfast Baptist from the Watauga location after communicating with Stedfast's lawyer.[15][16]. As Pastor Scott McFeters and Greater Portland Baptist Church move into this new phase of ministry, we believe the fields are still ripe for the harvest in the greater Portland area. We have the personal presence of the Holy Spirit to lead and guide us, why would we want to follow rules that were intended for people living in the power of the flesh? This church had no ties to anyone or any other church, yet this was a Baptist church as much as any Baptist church ever was. This was the best onemembers in our church raise hands, say amen, clap after special music (GASP! It is well also to note that these five distinctives are traits also of the true New Testament church! You will not regret it. I immediatley thought that my God must be alot bigger than his. The sole authority for any true church is Gods Word and not it founder, or its heritage. The grace economy is a much superior way to live a life pleasing to God. My parents hate our decision and this affects me also. Thus, the name independent means that the church patterns itself after the New Testament example and stands alone under the authority of the Bible. By 400 AD, the Emperor Theodosius had declared Christianity the only state religion of the Roman Empire. Christians should be recognized by their love for Jesus and one another. 4:11) or leader of the congregation. It was a nice letter and he apologized for not being more in touch with visitors and invited us back. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.. But I dont self-identify as a Baptist any longer, I simply say that Im a christian. It was almost like watching 12yr olds trying to run a corporation. So the the issue is that there has to be a Biblical standard for dress. I do however disagree with anyone mandating that a tenth should go to them & to the church as they see fit only (like giving some to other Christiann Ministries, some to local churche , etc) or that even mandates a tithe. Wonderful #zoology themed #picturebook full of #rhyming, This swim team mom stuff is a lot more involved than I expected. When our preaching goes backward, the whole apple cart rocks and soon turns over. So I still think Just about every Church has Strict dress Standards whether they know it or not. We have special music and usually 2 preachers a night. I hadnt been grounded in the word much. http://www.wvec.com/news/local/INSIDE-A-NAKED-CHURCH-85062392.html. Anyone not holding Episcopal ordination was forbade to hold services. Although, this was the first Baptist church to be founded on American soil there is no recorded offspring from this church and modern American Baptist churches can not trace their history directly to it. Most Baptist churches were in the past founded on the sound doctrinal teachings of the New Testament, however, many of them have in varying degrees drifted away from many of the teachings of the Scriptures. I hope you two can work that out. Wed love to hear about it! Personally, I try to for the most part give as I think God is pleased incl supporting Evangelism Ministrys like Compassion (that not only care for childrens physical need but also spirtual vs. the formerly known as Christian Childrens Fund now I believe under the name Child Aide, mainly becaus eCompassion confesses to be Christian & I believe to support church endeavors. Leaving God richly bless you and Merry Christmas! This lasted only one Sunday however, and the following Sunday the doors were opened and services held in defiance of the order. How can I get help? It originally applied through the 1700s to Lutherans, and Anglicans. My husband and are very involved in different activities and are feeling very used. I certainly need Gods help to do the things He has asked me to do. Baptist continued to grow in numbers through the period of the Great Awakening and up to the time of the Revolutionary War. One young lady began attending a non IFB Baptist church. -What about the Jerusalem Council in Acts (I believe I am using the right title here, but I have not check my accuracy)? Hope youll check it out. 1.) Failure to pay the tax brought the wrath of the civil and church leaders and people were publicly beaten, placed in stocks, fined, imprisoned, and banished from the colony by the civil authorities under the direction of the Puritan church officials. He then begins crying, Im not an expert at body language, but it certainly seemed contrived, preachertainment some would call it. IMO, this is is baptist deception at its absolute worst. One of the cops finally suggested giving them all their American money and theyd be free to go with a warning. To fulfill something as in Jesus fulfilled the law means that it is satisfied, meaning that it is no longer needed. Someone, somewhere has hurt you. -, Safety in the comfortable cocoon of fundamentalism -, Spiritual warfare and special needs: "Remember who you battle." Its derived from two possible origins: 1. So, obligating someone to feel like they mustis not I believe what God wants. I have heard people argue that a certain type of dress is more attractive to the world, or woman wearing dresses sets them apart as being different. One thing I want emphasize is that you are not alone. I have absolutely loved listening to your podcast. Here goes: My roots are in the IFB; my parents came from a relatively benign form of the movement, but even there the harmful effects were latent. Churches dont have the right to make rules about dress apart from Scriptural guidelines and principles. Scan this QR code to download the app now. I believe that the King James Version is the inspired, preserved Word of God for the English speaking people We have several people who are leaving our church. Later Presbyterians, Episcopalians and Methodist were added to the lists of Protestants denominations. Its nothing personal, just logic. If I were asked to compare the church I attend with another denomination that I knew about. THE BEGINNINGS OF THE BAPTISTS IN AMERICA. Nope, dont see that. Dear mamas, it does get easier. . Furthermore I believe it involved religion. And to top it off you have very strange sayings that I have no idea what they mean, the last half of the verse at Acts 9:5 is an example It is hard for thee to kick against the pricks WHAT! The only power above the pastor is God, and Gods silence seems to imply endorsement and collaboration. I made a profession at the age of 6 because thats what everyone else was doing. Baptists, basing their beliefs solely on the Bible, and in particularly the New Testament, have never held to these teachings and see them as heresy. 2 Timothy 2:15, Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. They say they hold to the NT pattern, and yet, they do not. Lack of pastoral accountability is not the problem. @greg But if your axe is based on tithing being practiced & encouraged (no one mandates & makes me give)then you have a axe with much of Christendom. What you have to do is develop your own way of fellowshipping with people, worshiping God and your own personal relationship with Christ apart from the IFB while remembering that you are free from the dangerous teachings of the IFB. Under grace we can give as much as we like. That local body of baptized believers would be as valid a true New Testament church as any church Christ ever founded. Baptist As for relating to other denominations and Catholocs, I believe that that is also harmful if one is not strong enough in their faith. Those who put in the effort will be greatly rewarded while those who neglect it do harm to their own souls. If only people would study more to know the voice of their Savior, there would be no one to follow the false teachers. In 1688 a Baptist church was organized at Pennepeck, Pennsylvania with twelve members. It seems to me that Christianitys best are leaving the traditional, institutional church because God is revealing its inadequacies. 3:1-16) However, some Independent Baptist churches do not accept that the word officer is the proper biblical term to be used and particularly does not apply to deacons. Unaccountable. Ok, so Im pretty sure you are referring to the Church of Christ that was founded by good ol Thomas Campbell (1763-1854) He was a fine Scottish Presbyterian who left Ireland to come to western PA. in 1807. Also, I support tithing personally. Since 1982 Greater Portland Baptist Church has ministered in the Greater Portland area with clear, Bible preaching, evangelistic passion, missions emphasis, Christ-honoring music, and dynamic children and youth ministries. I love your statement above about The Grace economy I think Im going to have to borrow it. John was Gods true prophet and the forerunner of the Messiah Jesus Christ, but he was not a part of the dispensation of the institution of the local church. This is the biggest wrong teaching of the Churches of Christ, although you have lots of company in this wrong belief, it is still wrong teaching. I think Calvary Chapel churches are great. Would you say Calvary Chapels are unbiblical and not fundamental? Cooper P. Abrams, III ALL RIGHTS RESERVED: This publication has been reprinted with permission from the author. He did not belong to, nor was part of the any ekklesia. Yes he baptized, but His baptism was the baptism of repentance (Matt. But not all Baptist churches are that way! But when a crowd gathered and pressed against Jesus, He asked Simon if He could use the fishing boat as an impromptu pulpit to teach the people. I believe the all scripture is given. passage to include the Old Testament, too. It takes time to get over all the brainwashing of the IFB but over time you will learn to recognize it for what it really is, which is control. Independent Baptists believe that to join with churches that teach and practice false doctrine is to tolerate and approve of errors. I hope you can forgive me for perpetuating those stumbling blocks. So you made assumptions based on very little. help and encourage those whose lives have been negatively affected by fundamentalist legalism in the church and to challenge those who promote tradition over Scripture. I am a woman who grew up in an ifb church. We can clearly see the Spirit of God in your gracious post. Since 1982 Greater Portland Baptist Church has ministered in the Greater Portland area with clear, Bible preaching, evangelistic passion, missions emphasis, Christ My point (and I just found Scripture) was that Jesus did not disnounce it as badHe says (less I misunderstand) these you ought to have done without leaving the rest undone. Biblically neither Deacons or Trustees are a governing body, or a board, but titles of special appointed servants who serve at the will of the pastor and congregation. 1. Live in the blessed hope of our Lord Jesus, He loves you unconditionally! God has not entrusted that authority to impart salvation to any man or church. 7.) 3. True Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches uphold the purest teachings of the early church as revealed in the New Testament. The cult mentality of the IFB makes it very difficult to break free from that emotional bond. Though many people including Websters Dictionary refers Baptists as being Protestants, it is not correct to refer to them as such or to lump all non-Catholic denominations in one group and label them Protestant. Thus, resolving to follow the Lords commands in truth, in March, 1639 he formed the first Baptist church on American soil. The pastors wife ran much of the church, and she had a serious bitter tongue; she would pick on the weaker people in the church. Unfortunately I am relatively new to this denomination; I do not know how much authority they have over my individual church. I think Lynne has been fed a large dose of legalism, and just cant seem to escape it. As I grew up and the years passed, I found myself on active duty in the U.S. Navy. There is not one Protestant church that is doctrinally pure following the example and polity of the New Testament. Smyth died in 1612, and the church ended in Holland shortly after that with Helwy, Thomas and John Murton returning to England as persecution there had lessened. Those good Church of Christ folks, I have a few friends in that faith, good folks, but as youve so clearly pointed out, completley out in left field as it relates to musical instruments in the church. This is just too weird for me to not comment on. I hear a lot that the IFB has strict dress standards. Twin Cities Baptist Church Fundamental Baptist use the name in its strictest sense as meaning holding to the fundamentals of the New Testament teachings without error. Students are challenged to personalize biblical principles in an academic setting that stresses high standards in the areas of personal discipline and accountability, Christian servant-hood, and biblical separation, while focusing on proper perspective through a biblical world-view. Ive seen the journeys. One man Hanserd Knolleys, is an example of dissenter of the Church of England who had to flee to America. I finally understood one day while reading Freedom of Mind by Steven Hassan that those feelings and thoughts are the result of brainwashing. 3. Just curious. Im here to tell you, however, that the confusion you have is due to the IFBs retention and manipulation tactics. Others have to a lesser degree compromised the Word of God by their teaching, practices and church polity trying to confront to popular religious tends. Many men have suffered and given their fortunes and their lives to hold the name in truth. This trip is open to pastors and their wives. I think it is exactly right to see that without divine drawing, no one ever would come to Christ. As you do that you will gain a new and fresh perspective about who God really is and how your personal sanctification process should play out. Now I am in full agreement with you that we should support our places of worship with our monetary gifts, but a mandatory tithe for new testament christians? All youve done is pull some verses out of context and manipulated them to fit your point of view. Auckland, New Zealand, New IFB pastor Logan Robertson was deported from Australia in July 2018 after being accused of harassing Muslims at two Brisbane mosques. ANyone who wont give to thie ronw family or help the place where they go to felloship togther (bills etc) is pretty lousy I think & no amount of preaching it will probally make a differenc eunless God pricks thier hearts. Here ar ethe key words: ought to have done without leaving the others undone, which would mean that tithing is good. Secondly, they believe in a clergy/laity distinction by ordaining so-called Pastors. This is not found in scripture. Tithing is not for God. In 1645, he formed a Baptist church in London. Make no mistake though baptism will never save anyone! I personally do not think tithing is wrong, When Jesus refers to tithing didnt He uphold it & only objected to other sins but did not speak aganist it. Part 2: Language links are at the top of the page across from the title. Any professed church that does not recognize these is Apsotasy & not the Church. 6:30, Titus 1:9-11, II Tim. He said he could tell because I had a joyful spirit. [1], New IFB churches have caused controversy on several occasions, because of their opposition to homosexuality. Lynne, I replied to your comment, and ended my reply with: your friend I Jesus. This was the first time in the history of the world that a government was established which granted religious freedom! That godly Deacon, so righteous on the outside, may have deep dark unrepentant sins no one know about. I constantly felt like I was sinning and would long for the safety of the IFB. I am having a hard time figuring you out. When I turned 18, the dreams I thought I had were destroyed, and the things I believed about God were challenged in deep ways. Donations are a great way to help keep the RFP on-air and furthering our mission to help and encourage those whose lives have been negatively affected by fundamentalist legalism in the church and to challenge those who promote tradition over Scripture. Men meeting the Biblical qualification of deacons (servants) (1 Tim. The Great Awakening stirred religious interests in the colonies and a reported great revival took place. Even some TV evangelists have referred to themselves as being fundamentalist. February 21, 2020 Hatewatch Staff The New Independent Fundamental Baptist network, most prominently associated with anti-LGBTQ pastor Steven Anderson, appears to be in turmoil as infighting again erupts, this time between Anderson and fellow pastors in the network. I hope Im helping him in his faith journey. The first is the United Church of Christ and secondly is the one I refer to, Independent Churches of Christ. All but seven were above the Mason-Dixon line. This is the true heritage the Fundamental Baptists holds dear, there have always been assemblies which submitted themselves only to the sole authority of the Word of God. I have transferred schools and since then Ive had to find a new church. Im sorry to hear that the experience has affected your relationship to an extent as well. Martin Luther until his death held to this false sentiment and disputed with the Swiss reformer Ulrich Zwingli (1484-1531), over the matter. Baptist also believe the Bible interprets itself, and that Christ is the only head of the church. Sure the new testament is important but so is the old testament. I already addressed the 1st point regarding them being under Mosaic Law vs us if you read all youlll find them incl how Jesus spoke to similar crowd regarding what is Adultery, etcalso I already explained its not mandatory & no one says you better or must incl where I;m atI already explained how Jesus stated it was not to be undone while He expanded on what should have been done of which they failedif it was all about Mosaic law only they would probally I think be in compliance but Christ fulfilled & was teaching in consitency with that. We had not joined the church yet, and didnt go every time the doors were opened or participate in every event, etc. Also, as a Southern Baptist, I am wondering if your fifth distinctive disqualifies my congregation, since we are members of the Southern Baptist Convention. However, the churches are united by a number of doctrines. Finally, I think you have some anger issues. Good job Greg!in reference to your reply to Rachel above. Wow! @greg 14) before the Lord Jesus announced the coming establishment of the ekklesia. (Matt 16:18). 22 of the congregations are in 16 U.S. states, one in British Columbia, three are in the Philippines, two are in the Australian states of New South Wales and Queensland, and one congregation is located in the South African town of Middelburg. I would love to know your thoughts on the matter. I would mostly be concerned about #1 more than any other. In fact the Roman Church can only trace its history back to 313 AD when the Roman Emperor Constantine made Christianity a legal religion. I admitted, in my comment, that I was somewhat caustic in my writing (I could definitely get better in that department) but I re-read what I wrote and didnt think it was horrible. I am so encouraged and continue to be reaffirmed in our decision as I meet and talk to others who have awakened to the truth of Grace and Legalism. Denomination: A Sample Of Baptist The crime of these men was that they believed the Bible was Gods Truth, and rejected dictates of false churches and men. First Baptist Church Of Rose Hill uses only the King James Bible. Catholicsm is beyond a denomination & a religious institution with some Christian tenants. On May 28, 1665, a Baptist church was founded in Boston, by Thomas Gould, who refused to accept infant baptism. The only time I ever dressed up was for Job interviews. 4. Mark 7:7, Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Well last night the first speaker, spoke on Hell, he said not many preach on Hell anymore (yea, right!) You seems to be as blind as the Pharisees. I just sent you a friend request. I am currently working on a research paper in seminary. What gets my goat on this style of preaching is that as much as these baptists act as though they follow nothing but the scripture, it seems they dont read it or study it much. Are you (or someone you know) a perfect person for us to interview on the podcast? I felt distant from God because I wasnt obeying their standards, like going to every service (three times a week), I wear pants, I wasnt there every time the doors were opened, things like that. Thank you for sharing your journey!

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