Actually, the Assistant Principal Chief was Joseph "Tenulte" Vann, son of Avery Vann and probably a cousin of "Rich Joe" Vann. Yes I was! I'm glad the War's over and I am free to meet God like anybody else, and my grandchildren can learn to read and write. At least twenty-five of Vann's slaves participated in the Cherokee slave revolt of 1842. Pappa got the soldier fever from being in the War; no, I don't mean like the chills and fever, but just a fever to be in the army, I guess for he joined the regular U.S. Army after a while, serving five years in the 10th Cavalry at Fort Sill during the same time John Adair of Tahelquah and John Gallagher of Muskogee was in the army. I don't remember much about my pappy's mother; but I remember she would milk for a man named Columbus Balreade and she went to prayer meeting every Wednesday night. James Vann : Family tree by jwj424 - Geneanet It made my Master mad, but dey didn't belong to him no more and he couldn't say nothing. He made a deal with Dave Mounts, a white man, who was moving into the Indian country to drive for him. Joseph Vann, Principal Chief was born on month day 1798, at birth place, to James Ti-ka-lo-hi "Crazy" Clement Vann and Nancy 'Nannie' Vann (born Brown). The colored folks did most of the fiddlin'. My uncle used to baptize 'em. Missus Jenni lived in a big house in Webbers Falls. Oh Lord, no. Old Master and Mistress kept on asking me did de night riders persecute me any but dey never did. Of course I hear about Abraham Lincoln and he was a great man, but I was told mostly by my children when dey come home from school about him. They wanted everybody to know we was Marster Vann's slaves. Lord it was terible. Christmas morning marster and missus come out on the porch and all the colored folks gather around. I sure did love her. Pappa named Charley Nave; mamma's name was Mary Vann before she marry and her papa was Talaka Vann, one of Joe Vann's slave down around Webber's Falls. He born at Spring Place, Georgia on February 11, 1798. There was big parties and dances. It had no windows, but it had a wood floor that was kept clean with plenty of brushings, and a fireplace where mammy'd cook the turnip greens and peas and corn--I still likes the cornbread with fingerprints baked on it like in the old days when it was cooked on a skillet over the hot wood ashes. The spring time give us plenty of green corn and beans too. He come from across the water when he was a little boy, and was grown when old Master Joseph Vann bought him, so he never did learn to talk much Cherokee. Maybe old Master Joe Vann was harder. It was bad, oh it was bad. The first time I married was to Clara Nevens, and I wore checked wool pants, and a blue striped cotton shirt. Chief Vann House Courtesy of Atlanta History Center. Little hog, big hog, didn't make no difference. Marster Jim and Missus Jennie wouldn't let his house slaves go with no common dress out. I remember when the steamboats went up and down the river. There was music, fine music. Old Master Joe had a mighty big farm and several families of Negroes, and he was a powerful rich man. We had fine satin dresses, great big combs for our hair, great big gold locket, double earrings we never wore cotton except when we worked. John B. 'Trader' Vann : Family tree by jwj424 - Geneanet There'd be a hole wagon-load of things come and be put on the tree. Please join us. After the war I married Paul Alexander, but I never took his name. Old Master tell me I was borned in November 1852, at de old home place about five miles east of Webbers Falls, mebbe kind of northeast, not far from de east bank of de Illinois River. Snow on the ground and the water was muddy and all full of pieces of ice. There was a house yonder where was dry clothes, blankets, everything. Every morning the slaves would run to the commissary and get what they wanted for that day. After being evicted from his father's mansion home "Diamond Hill" in 1834, Joseph moved his large family (he had two wives) and business operations to Tennessee, where he established a large plantation on the Tennessee River near the mouth of Ooltewah Creek that became the center of a settlement called Vann's Town (later the site of Harrison, Tennessee). We even had brown sugar and cane molasses most of de time before de War, sometimes coffee, too. They'd cut brush saplings, walk out into the stream ahead of the pen and chase the fish down to the riffle where they'd pick em up. There was a house yonder where was dry clothes, blankets, everything. Chief James Clement Vann family tree Parents John Joseph 'Indian Trader' Cherokee Vann 1735 - 1815 Wahli Wa-wli Aka Polly Otterlifter Mary Christiana Otterlifter Wolf Clan 1751 - 1815 Spouse (s) There was seats all around for folks to watch them dance. Dey was both raised round Webber's Falls somewhere. Old Mistress cried jest like any of de rest of us when de boat pull out with dem on it. Rich Joe Vann died in Oct. 1844 when the boiler exploded on his steamboat, the "Lucy Walker" during a race with another vessel near New Albany, Ind. Women came in satin dresses, all dressed up, big combs in their hair, lots of rings and bracelets. McFadden, Marguerite, "The Saga of 'Rich Joe' Vann", Chronicles of Oklahoma, Vol. John Thompson. Soon as you come out of the water you go over there and change clothes. Lord yes, su-er. A Scottish trader came to Cherokee Territory in 1755, married Wai-Li and became a licensed trader-interpreter for the Queen of England. James Vann was born in 1766 (or 1768), near Spring Place, Georgia, the son of a white trader, Joseph Vann, and a Cherokee mother named War-li. No Comments . They got over in the Creek country and stood off the Cherokee officers that went to git them, but pretty soon they give up and come home. My pappy was a kind of a boss of the Negroes that run the boat, and they all belong to old Master Joe. We was at dat place two years and made two little crops. Christmas morning marster and missus come out on the porch and all the colored folks gather around. Some niggers say my pappy kept hollering, Rum it to the bank! The commissary was full of everything good to eat. Coming out of the army for the last time, Pappa took all the family and moved to Fort Scott, Kansas, but I guess he feel more at home wid the Indians for pretty soon we all move back, this time to a farm near Fort Gibson. Run it to the bank! but it sunk and him and old Master died. Family tree. They make pens out in the shallow water with poles every little ways from the river banks. Poor old master and mistress only lived a few years after de War. She had some land close to Catoosa and some down on Greenleaf Creek. It was Dont Call the Roll, Jesus, Because Im Coming Home. The only song I remember from the soldiers was: Hang Jeff Davis to a Sour Apple Tree, and I remember that because they said he used to be at Fort Gibson one time. Everybody had a good time. The only song I remember from the soldiers was" "Hang Jeff Davis to a Sour Apple Tree," and I remember that because they said he used to be at Fort Gibson one time. The fugitive slaves killed the two bounty hunters and the slaves they had been returning joined those attempting to reach Mexico. sse Vann, James Clement Jr. Vann, Mary Vann, Delila Copeland (born Vann), John Vann, John Vann, Joseph Vann, John Vann, Mary Vann, Robert James (Ti-ka-lo-hi) (James Wahli Vann Etc. Sometimes the sleep was too deep and somebody would be late, but the master never punish anybody, and I never see anybody whipped and only one slave sold. He said that those troops burned the Vann home during their pillage. My mammy was a Crossland Negro before she come to belong to Master Joe and marry my pappy, and I think she come wid old Mistress and belong to her. Lord, Yes! In summer when it was hot, the slaves would sit in the shade evenings and make wooden spoons out of maple. Because I'se so little, Missus Jennie took me into the Big house and raised me. One night a runaway negro come across form Texas and he had de blood hounds after him. I got a pass and went to see dem sometimes, and dey was both treated mighty fine. She won me lots of money, Black Hock did, and I kept it in the Savings Bank in Tahlequah. When they get it they take it back to their cabin. A town was laid out on his Hamilton Country farm which was called, Vanntown. Dey called young Mr. Joe "Little Joe Vann" even after he was grown on account of when he was a little boy before his pappy was killed. Death 06 May 1815 - Spring Place, Murray, Georgia, USA. After we got our presents we go way anywhere and visit colored folks on other plantation. I go to this house, you come to my house. Young Master Vann never very hard on us and he never whupped us, and ole Mistress was a widow woman and a good Christian and always kind. There was a bugler and someone callled the dances. Mammy went to a mean old man named Pepper Goodman and he took her off down de river, and pretty soon Mistress tell me she died cause she can't stand de rough treatment. They had 21 children: Chenusaw The Judge CORNSTALK, Antony Christian and 19 other children. There was music, fine music. Some had been in a big run-away and had been brung back, and wasnt so good, so he keep them on the boat all the time mostly. And we had corn bread and cakes baked every day. I always pick a whole passel of muscadines for old Master and he make up sour wine, and dat helps out when we git the bowel complaint from eating dat fresh pork. Once they catch a catfish most as big as a man; that fish had eggs big as hen eggs, and he made a feast for twenty-five Indians on the fishing party. , Nancy Vann, John Shepherd Vann, David Vann, Jane Elizabeth Vann, Sallie Blackburn Vore (born Vann), Joseph W. Vann, William Vann, Miner https://www.ancestry.com/mediaui-viewer/collection/1030/tree/69753803/person/36207324186/media/f7398599-0630-429e-b3f8-1944ec3951cd?_phsrc=RGj23082&_phstart=successSource, Spring Place, Murray County, Georgia, United States of America, Spring Place, Murray County, Georgia, United States, Cherokee () Principal Chiefs and Uka: Eastern, Western and Keetoowah, Chief Joseph Rich Joe Vann, Principal Chief, http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lpproots/Neeley/cvann.htm, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_Walker_steamboat_disaster. We had bonnets that had long silk tassels for ties. Young, Mary., "The Cherokee Nation: Mirror of the Republic", (American Quarterly), Vol. Then he hide in the bushes along the creek and got away. The astounding details of his life are well-recorded in books like The House at Diamond Hill [1] He inherited property from his . They had run out of food and were starving, too weak and disillusioned to offer effective resistance. We went down to the river for baptizings. We never had no church in slavery, and no schooling, and you had better not be caught wid a book in your hand even, so I never did go to church hardly any. He tell us for we start, what we must say and what to do. McLoughlin, William, Cherokee Renascence in the New Republic, Princeton University Press, (1986), ISBN 0691047413. In the pre-dawn hours of November 15, 1842, the Negroes locked their still-sleeping masters and overseers in their homes. When we git to Fort Gibson they was a lot of negroes there, and they had a camp meeting and I was baptized. People just go and help themselves, till they couldn't eat no mo! In one month you have to get back. All the colored folks lined up and the overseer he tell them what they must do that day. He jest kept him and he was a good Negro after that. Used to go up and down the river in his steamboat. Next came the carpenters, yard men, blacksmiths, race-horse men, steamboat men and like that. Joseph Vann (1798-abt.1844) | WikiTree FREE Family Tree They had fine furniture that Marster Vann had brought home in a steamboat from far away. He didn't want em to imagine he give one more than he give the other. We had about twenty calves and I would take dem out and graze-em while some grown-up negro was grazing de cows so as to keep de cows milk. He passed away on 04 Apr 1770 in Old Ninety Six, Edgefield, South Carolina, United States. Helizikinopo was born in 1715, in Pennsylvania, Somerset, Pennsylvania, United States. The slaves of the Creeks also joined those of the Cherokees and the band set out for Mexico. Pappy was the shoe-maker and he used wooden pegs of maple to fashion the shoes. The big house was made of log and stone and had big mud fireplaces. When crop was laid by de slaves jest work round at dis and dat and keep tol'able busy. We was too tired when we come in to play any games. Show more. John Joseph 'Indian Trader' Cherokee Vann - Ancestry My mother Betsy Vann, worked in the big house for the missus. Vann Name Meaning & Vann Family History at Ancestry.com on the Ohio River. No nails in none of dem nor in de chairs and tables. "Rich Joe" owned a large plantation on the Tennessee River near the mouth of the Ooltewah Creek. James (Chief of Vann's Old Town) Vannhad 1child. They was so many of us for dat little field we never did have to work hard. Joseph Vann, born 1802 - Ancestry Doublehead's last wife was Nancy Drumgoole. Duwa'li 'John' Bowles, Sr., Principal Chief - Geni I dont know about Robert Lee, but I know about Lees Creek. Excepting master and mistress, couldn't nobody put things in there but her. Dat was de time dat was the hardest and everything was dark and confusion. He passed away on 21 Feb 1809 in Shot at Buffington Tavern, GA, USA. My father was a carpenter and blacksmith as well as race-horse man and he wanted to make money. On his extensive plantation some 800 acres were under cultivation. Cal Robertson was eighty-nine years old when I married him forty years ago, right on this porch. Maybe old Master Joe Vann was harder, I don't know, but that was before my time. I'se born right in my master and missus bed. In 1840 there were 29 Vann families living in North Carolina. Hams cakes, pies, dresses, beads, everything. I got my allotment as a Cherokee Freedman, and so did Cal, but we lived here at this place because we was too old to work the land ourselves. Marster never whipped no one. He wouldn' take us way off, but just for a ride. Click here for live data and advanced tools for collaboration, genetic genealogy, surname projects, etc. We had a smoke house full of hams and bacon. She turned the key to the commissary too. Young Master never whip his slaves, but if they don't mind good he sell them off sometimes. They could have anything they wanted. Robert Hicks ("Who went to live with the Indians") was born 1720 in Albermarle, Sussex, Virginia. We went by Webber's Falls and filled de wagons. There was lots of preserves. Dey come to de house one time when he was gone to Fort Smith and us children told dem he was at Honey Springs, but they knowed better and when he got home he said somebody shot at him and bushwhacked him all the way from Wilson's Rock to dem Wildhorse Mountains, but he run his horse like de devil was sitting on his tail and dey never did hit him. Missus Jenni lived in a big house in Webbers Fall.s Don't know where the other one lived. They wanted everybody to know we was Marster Vann's slaves. Everything was stripedy cause Mammy like to make it fancy. Joe had two wives, one was named Missus Jennie. When Mammy went old Mistress took me to de Big House to help her and she was kind to me like I was part of her own family. Mammy had the wagon and two oxen and we worked a good size patch there until she died, and then I git married to Cal Robertson to have somebody to take care of me. He jest kept him and he was a good negro after that. Ruth Thompson *. 502-524. We had fine satin dresses, great big combs for our hair, great big gold locket, double earrings we never wore cotton except when we worked. He used to take us to where Hyde Park is and we'd all go fishin'. In slavery time the Cherokee Negroes do like anybody else when they is a death, jest listen to a chapter in the Bible and all cry. Joseph Vann - New Georgia Encyclopedia Mistress try to get de man to tell her who de negro belong to so she can buy him, but de man say he can't sell him and he take him on back to Texas wid a chain around his two ankles. My Vann ancestors Dey would come up in a bunch of about nine men on horses and look at all our passes, and if a negro didn't have no pass dey wore him out good and made him go home. Joseph and his sister Mary were children of James Vann and Nannie Brown, both mixed-blood Cherokees. They had a big big plantation down by the river and they was rich. He would tell em plain before hand, "Now no trouble." WikiTree is a community of genealogists growing an increasingly-accurate collaborative family tree that's 100% free for everyone forever. . The preacher took his candidate into the water. We left de furniture and only took grub and tools and bedding and clothes, cause they wasn't very big wagons and was only single-yoke. That was sort of vault, where the family valuables was kept. De furniture is all gone, and some said de soldiers burned it up for firewood. 1) Chief Doublehead (a rival of James Vann) 2) John Foreman a) Elizabeth Foreman m. John Elliott (white) 3) James Vann a) Sally Vann m. Evan Nicholson (white) / James Lamar (white) b.1797 F)Dawnee, described by the Moravian missionaries as a poor full blood woman, who was often drunk.She had at least 2 and maybe 3 husbands: 1) James Vann My father he say, "Now chillun, don't get smart; you just be still and listen, rich folks tryin tell us something" They come and call you, say so much money buried, tell you where it is, say it's yours, you come and get it. I remember that home after the war brought my pappa back home. My marster and missus buried their money and valuables everywhere. Malone, Henry Thompson, Cherokees of the Old South: A People in Transition, University of Georgia Press, (1956), ISBN 0670034207. Someone call our names and everybody get a present. After everything quiet down and everything was just right, we come back to territory second time. I wore loom cloth clothes, dyed in copperas what the old Negro women and the old Cherokee women made. 33, No. Chief Joseph David VANN passed awayon 1844in in boat race on Ohio River, Indiana. The land was timbered and the oldest children clear the land, or start to do the work while Pappa go back to Tahlequah to get my sick mamma and the rest of the family. He never seen them neither. Some had been in a big run-away and had been brung back, and wasn't so good, so he keep them on the boat all the time mostly. F Keziah Vann Family Tree Born in 1763 - Yancey Co., NC. The beautiful brick house was surrounded by kitchens, slave quarters and mills, with apple and peach orchards covering the adjacent hills. We made money and kept it in a sack. He wouldn't take us way off, but just for a ride. They'd clap their hands and holler. We got letters all the time form Indians back in the territory. My pappy was a kind of a boss of the negroes that run the boat, and they all belong to Old Maser Joe. Yes Lord Yes. Born in Bertie, North Carolina, United States on 1715 to John Trader U Wa Ni Vann and Mary Wa' Li' Cherokee King-Vann. Do you know what I am going to do? If someone they didn't want to have it try to dig it up, money sink down, down deep in the ground where they couldn't get it. See other search results for Chief Joseph David VANN Ready to discover your family story? Joseph Vann, the son of Chief James Vann and his wife Margaret Scott Vann, was a lad of 12 when his father was killed, in 1809. "We'd say "Come on buffalo", and it would come to us. It was tied up at de dock at Webbers Falls about a week and we went down and talked to my aunt an brothers and sister. MLA Source Citation: AccessGenealogy.com. I never would hear much about the war that my father was in, but I know he fought for the North. Everybody had plenty to eat and plenty to throw away. I been a good Christian ever since I was baptized, but I keep a little charm here on my neck anyways to keep me from having the nose bleed. In summer when it was hot, the slaves would sit in the shade evening's and make wooden spoons out of maple. Web. Joseph William II Vann 1810-1854. There wasn't nothing left. We had meat, bread, rice, potatoes and plenty of fish and chicken. Sometims just white folks danced; sometimes just the black folks. He had charge of all Master Chism's and Master Vann's race horses. The following oral history narrative is from the The WPA Oklahoma Slave Narratives in the Library of Congress, edited by T. Lindsay Baker, Julie Philips Baker: Yes Sa. wives of chief james vann - Genealogy.com Everybody laugh and was happy. There was five hundred slaves on that plantation and nobody ever lacked for nothing. He located at Webbers Falls on the Arkansas River and operated a line of steamboats on the Arkansas, Mississippi, and Ohio Rivers. She holler, "Easter, you go right now and make dat big buck of a boy some britches!". Young Master Joe let us have singing and be baptised if we want to, but I wasnt baptized till after the war. Sometime Young Master Joe and the other boys give me a piece of money and say I worked for it, and I reckon I did for I have to cook five or six times a day. When the Indians decided to return home for reinforcements, the slaves started moving again toward Mexico. You see, I'se one of them sudden cases. My mother was seamstress. Brown sugar, molasses, flour, corn-meal, dried beans, peas, fruits butter lard, was all kept in big wooden hogsheads; look something like a tub. Pappy's name was Caesar Sheppard and Mammy's name was Easter. In winter white folks danced in the parlor of the big house; in summer they danced on a platform under a great big brush arbor. Mammy say they was lots of excitement on old Masters place and all the Negroes mighty scared, but he didnt sell my pappy off. Old Master bought de cotton in Ft. Smith, because he didn't raise no cotton, but he had a few sheep and we had wool mix for winter. His pappy was old Captain "Rich Joe" Vann, and he had been dead ever since long before de War. They spun the cottons and wool, weaved it and made cloth. Below New Albany, the vessel blew up when one or more boilers blew up, killing the majority of the passengers and among them the owner and captain. 4. Young Master never whip his slaves, but if they dont mind good he sell them off sometimes. Perdue, Theda, "The Conflict Within: The Cherokee Power Structure and Removal," Georgia Historical Quarterly, 73 (Fall, 1989), pp. He died in Sussex, Sussex County, Virginia, on January 22, 1780. Dey didn't let us have much enjoyment. Joseph H. Vann, (11 February 1798 23 October 1844). Martha was born on September 18 1812, in near Conasauga, Old Cherokee Nation, Tennessee, USA. Their slaves also helped build the nearby Moravian mission and school in Spring Place. He didn't want em to imagine he give one more than he give the other. The commissary was full of everyting good to eat. I had a silver dine on it, too, for a long time, but I took it off and got me a box of snuff. All the slaves lived in a log house. Yes Lord yes. By 1800 slavery had become firmly entrenched in the Five Civilized Tribes. The place was all woods, and the Cherokees and the soldiers all come down to see the baptising. Chief James Clement Vann 1765-1809 - Ancestry + 17 Yes, my dear Lord yes. Brown sugar, molasses, flour, corn-meal, dried beans, peas, fruits butter lard, was all kept in big wooden hogsheads; look something like a tub. The preacher took his candidate into the water. He moved his family to this location and resided there two or three years, until he could establish himself in the west. Sometimes I eat my bread this morning none this evening. Family Tree - Cherokee Chiefs & Related Kin & Other Notable Cherokees Everybody had fine clothes everybody had plenty to eat. Cal Robertson was eighty-nine years old when I married him forty years age, right on this porch. Its got a buokeys and a lead bullet in it. When the war broke out, lots of Indians mustered up and went out of the territory. I always think of my old Master as de one dat freed me, and anyways Abraham Lincoln and none of his North people didn't look after me and buy my crop right after I was free like old Master did. Her master was white, but he had married into de Nation and so she got a freedmen's allotment too. In 1837 ptior to the main Cherokee Removal, he transported a few hundred Cherokee men, women, children, slaves and horses aboard a flotilla of flat boats to Webber's Falls on the Arkansas River in Indian Territory. Had sacks and sacks of money. 467-91. Sometimes there was high waters that spoiled the current and the steamboats couldn't run. Son of Di-Ga-Lo-Hi 'James' "Crazy Chief Vann and Go-sa-du-i-sga Nancy Timberlake The slaves had a pretty easy time I think. He never come until the next day, so dey had to sleep in dat pen in a pile like hogs. Joseph Vann, son of Chief Joseph Vann and his wife Margaret Scott Vann, married first, Jennie Springton, born December 23, 1804, died August 4, 1863. Born just after the end of the Cherokee War, he grew up in turbulent times. John Trader U Wa Ni Vann 1690-1770 - Ancestry We stayed here till everything got fixed up, then we went back to Mexico. He would start at de crack of daylight and not git home till way after dark. Murray County Museum - Vann Slaves Remember CHEROKEE Genealogy | WikiTree FREE Family Tree Now I'se just old forgotten woman. Vann's mother was a Cherokee woman named Wah-Li and his father a Scot named either James or Clement Vann. Master went plumb blind after he move back to Webber's Falls and so he move up on de Illinois River, about three miles from de Arkansas, and there old Mistress take de white swelling and die and den he die pretty soon. Seneca Chism was my father. I had a brother named Harry who belonged to the Vann family at Tahlequah. Although Joseph Vann's body was never found, slave Lucinda Vann revealed that one of his arms had been found, positively identified, and taken to Vann's home at Webbers Falls, Oklahoma, where it was preserved for many years. Lots of soldiers around all the time though. We had to get up early and comb our hair first thing. My husband was a Cherokee born Negro, too, and when he got mad he forgit all the English he knowed. Florence Smith was my first wife and Ida Vann the second. Didn't you never see one of them slidin' beds? I been a good Christian ever since I was baptised, but I keep a little charm here on my neck anyways, to keep me from having the nose bleed. After it was wove they dyed it all colors, blue, brown, purple, red, yellow. There was seats all around for folks to watch them dance. I got all the clothes I need from old Mistress, and in winter I had high top shoes with brass caps on the toe. Then the preacher put you under water three times. Another time his officer give him a message; he was on his way to deliver it when the enemy spy him and cry out to stop, but father said he kept on going until he was shot in the leg. We went on a place in de Red River Bottoms close to Shawneetown and not far from de place where all de wagons crossed over to go into Texas. Thompson, mixed blood Cherokee Indian, but before that pappy had been owned by three different master; one was the Rich Joe Vann who lived down at Webber Falls and another was Chief Lowery of the Cherokees. Indians wouldn't allow their slaves to take their husband's name. Mammy work late in the night, and I hear the loom making noises while I try to sleep in the cabin. Sometimes just white folks danced; sometimes just the black folks. This was about 22% of all the recorded Vann's in USA. There was lots of preserves. Chief married Martha Peggy Vann, Thompson, Mayes (born McNair (rozena Vann)) in 1824, at age 23 at marriage place. 29 November 2015. http://www.accessgenealogy.com/black-genealogy/slave-narrative-of-b - Last updated on Aug 24th, 2012, VANN SLAVES REMEMBER 2003 By Herman McDaniel Murray County Museum.

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